A Whole New World

[Shadowwind]

OK so throwing the idea around chat a bit and posting this up for the people who weren't there. We came up with an idea for a largely statless new open world RP type thingy. Something were stats are more arbitrary then in HD and where primary writting will be done in collabs and player made event type things. We were talking about an One Piece flavored world (since it most readily lends itself to the concept) any thoughts or suggestions?

 

[Doc]

I support this! and have nothing to recommend yet​

 

[Several Zombies]

Look at the last "new" RP venture that is currently gathering dust below this one if you wanna know how this'll turn out =_=

 

[Doc]

Look at the last "new" RP venture that is currently gathering dust below this one if you wanna know how this'll turn out =_=

our last "venture" was basically just HD with a different coat of paint. this would require less work, on everybody's part.

 

[Several Zombies]

Having not had a hand in making that, I would say that you don't really have a right to judge how different EN was -- trust me, though the base may have been similar, much more work went into grinding out a unique system for that game, and all that work went to waste in the end. The point is people aren't that willing to abandon characters they've spent so much time with; HD will pretty much trump any new venture for that reason. I'm not getting into an HD vs. new shit debate, but I'm saying don't get your hopes up.

/wet blanket all over your idea

 

[Shadowwind]

You can say what you want but EN was basically HD with more systems. Its hard to convince people to do twice the work especially when HD is already so time consuming. This would be less time consuming in nature the way the original EN was supposed to be.

 

[Shun]

Pretty cool, but honestly, I think we're fine as it is. I'd rather stick with current HD.

 

[Wayne]

Having not had a hand in making that, I would say that you don't really have a right to judge how different EN was -- trust me, though the base may have been similar, much more work went into grinding out a unique system for that game, and all that work went to waste in the end. The point is people aren't that willing to abandon characters they've spent so much time with; HD will pretty much trump any new venture for that reason. I'm not getting into an HD vs. new shit debate, but I'm saying don't get your hopes up.

/wet blanket all over your idea

This.

 

[Time Lady Katie]

I like the concept. But I'm not sure I can go much farther than that. Key reasons being my lack of interest in the source material and the fact that, as a few other people cited, I've got goals here. Now, I see where this idea could be a stronger contender to being a second RP than EN, because lighter systems mean lighter commitments, but maybe the need to start something new is premature? We still need to work on advertisement for what we already have.

So essentially where I fall on the issue is this: maybe put the idea on the back burner for a little while? Let it simmer and when the time is better for it, the idea seems good.

 

[Isaaru]

I voted "No".

I think our system is fine as it is. It gives the RPer a solid perspective of progression, making one build goals and expectations over his/her character. Simple and clean, as it's supposed to be.

The stats system in HD is very solid, and so is the battle/skills/kai/kidou system. As long as we don't start making it complex, throwing on complicate ideas and systems (which had an atempt of implementation in the old Isshin) we will be fine.

Halcyon Days is going through a very delicate period, at the moment. The decrease in the number of active (I mean, active!) RPers, compared to what we had before and the difficulty we are having to attract new people, since we are not filliated to BleachForums anymore, should be had in mind. The people in HD should work together in strategies to make it active, populated, interesting and long lasting as it once was. I don't think that wandering to other ideas of RP is the wisest thing to do right now.

 

[Rob]

As much as I'd love to write for a new RP, I voted 'no' for the single fact that instead of focusing all your time on something new, we should be focusing attention on getting HD back to its glorious days.

Plus, I'd like to actually see an RP that's different from the large mainstream mangas such as One Piece, Naruto and Bleach.

I mean, there's Soul Eater, possibly D. Gray-man, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Psyren, and all that jazz.

So yeah, I voted 'no' for the current idea, but am probably open for something actually 'fleshed out' in terms of its system.

 

[Time Lady Katie]

I mean, there's Soul Eater, possibly D. Gray-man, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Psyren, and all that jazz.

Personally, I'd love to see Certain Magical Index reworked as an RP.
To say nothing of possibilities like Fate/stay Night, Shakugan no Shana, Darker than Black, or Pandora Hearts to name a few interesting out-of-the-mainstream options.

Though, like I said, I think this discussion is best revisited when HD is on solid footing again.

 

[Seamus]

Fairy Tail would work well too. I like the idea, but it requires a certain amount of self-moderation and a willingness to lose every now and then for an Open world type thing to work.

I say let's give it a shot!

 

[Leitmotif]

Personally, I'd love to see Certain Magical Index reworked as an RP.
To say nothing of possibilities like Fate/stay Night, Shakugan no Shana, Darker than Black, or Pandora Hearts to name a few interesting out-of-the-mainstream options.

Though, like I said, I think this discussion is best revisited when HD is on solid footing again.

Fate/Stay Night and Darker than Black both have been tested in Rp form in the past by Isshin/Amalgam/Halcyon people. As you can see, none worked. Interesting to say that both those tries had very different concepts and mechanics than Halcyon/Amalgam/Isshin, so no, it wasn't a matter of 'more of the same'.

I'd say no to this, mainly because time is not unlimited and there's a 'source' material for it - OP, as I understand. I think HD works very well in sating the hunger of its users for fantasy-esque worlds where I can do shit I can't in real life.

Crys

 

[swaswj]

Another thing to keep in mind is that, even though we are Bleach at the core, the truth is that Halcyon Days is an amalgamation of most anime and video games, and some books.

We have things like Hadouken, Naruto clones as spells, X-men powers popping up in a lot of AHs, some Devil May Cry stuff, FMA alchemy, even 'Animagus' from Harry Potter.

Bleach is our core but we are a group of fanboys and fangirls who can't help but want to introduce the newest, coolest things we've seen in our favorite series. It comes across in our writing, in our techs, in our releases, even items. And... the Halcyon Days' system allows for that, to a generous degree. I believe that's part of why we've been able to keep going for so long. It's not so open and formless that anyone can do anything and get away with it until everyone gets bored. It's not so rigid and unyielding that it stifles creativity or fantasy-fulfillment. We have overarching plot and allow for great depth in personal plot, we have a thick webwork of built-in abilities and techs and a very open-ended system for building in your own personal ideas.

I think it's less that we need another RP or even a side RP for stress relief -- I think we just need more writing. Plot is ever-unfolding in the RP, and there are now numerous threads to follow, but you're not limited to them.

You were excited about the idea of EN and having a great Ninja War... but most of you are the heads of your own factions. What's to stop you from unleashing something similar in HD? The fact that there are other forces which might contend with you?

 

[Several Zombies]

...You were excited about the idea of EN and having a great Ninja War... but most of you are the heads of your own factions. What's to stop you from unleashing something similar in HD?

I'm working on it.

 

[Not_Again]

To be honest, I couldn't handle another RPG - so I would have to decide. And as, despite a couple of things I find annoying, I really like this RP/system/people/etcetc... I think we should focus on what we have, and make it better/more active etc. I think we could triple the awesomeness of -this- RP.

Also... about an RP that's largely without stats&collab heavy...

I only use stats as a vague kind of orientation thingy, but for that they -are- important. Without them people go crazy, think they're god, and go on unfair rampagnes - and if they do that a lot, it actually makes good RPying for other people impossible. So while I'm no stats person, I do support them. Even people with stronger stats can lose if the rper wants his char to - there are always reasons one can make up, a bad day, a distracted mind, hesitations, whatev. So it's not like stats are absolute. But they gotta be there, just saying.

And collabs. Yeah I'm just bad at this stuff. I haven't finished a collab since I came back. Anyway, my point is, if you want an RP largely dependent on collabs only, you need to be sure people answer and don't just disappear in the middle... and that doesn't even work here, where collabs are already important. But if pretty much the whole RP only (or almost only) consists of collabs... ahh maybe I'm too pessimistic, but I think it would die pretty soon, because some wouldn't answer, which would kill the fun for the others, and if there's no fun, there's no rp...

 

[FogOverLondon]

I've been largely inactive over the last couple months for a lot of reasons. Shade would probably just say I'm a flake. I accidentally voted "no" when I meant, "yes".

But in my opinion, the setting is stale. We aren't able to create the world of HD anymore. It's been established to the point of nauseum. That worked for us before, having a place that was established but still had room for growth. Now, I see everything constantly recycled. Powers aren't as big a deal to recycle, to me anyway, but the story/stories don't seem invigorated with people who are excited to create the setting of HD, it's already been defined.

I think a change in setting is good. Something like EN should have been more popular except that Naruto's kind of a saturated/loaded concept as well. I would go for something less popular or maybe conceptually more open. The Psyren concept is a good example, since it's just a concept. The setting to something like that wouldn't need to mirror the world that Psyren originally took place in, which is what HD is. With EN we still had to build or go with a village system, etc. Maybe, a new coat of paint isn't what we need, it might be we just need a new vehicle altogether. That's my opinion, of course. Everyone's got a different perspective. I can't guarantee any outcome but I'm going to probably try and write Mass Effect fanfic here so that I can at least stay somewhat active on the forum itsef...


P.S. hi

 

[Time Lady Katie]

I don't think I'm recycling plots or am unexcited. I don't think I've been unenthusiastic. Nor has Nella, nor thers who are fairly new to the HD scene. HD isn't ailing, it needs an infusion of new members, of new blood. New settings alone are not a problem solved, but at best temporarily averted.

Again, why I say we need to address the problems in front of us.

 

[Nargles]

I'm going to have to agree with Katie on this one. I don't really think that HD has gotten "stale". Sure we're in the post PMs quiet time, but there's still a lot of stuff going on. New divisions provide people new outlets for writing in Soul Society. Those with collars are busy trying to get them removed. Those who were there when the C46 were attacked are busy trying to figure out where they stand with the C46. There are inter-divisional plots galore that people can create or join.

Likewise on Earth, Cerberus is being reconstructed. Orpheus is being reconstructed. Humans are trying to figure out where they stand with shinigami. New alliances between Quincy, Vizards and Humans are being formed. If you go ask a faction head, or even just make a plot, you can start some big stuff. That's kind of like how Chimera, a bad made by Raph for his own personal plot, quickly grew into a big group. That combined with three big baddies running, well less in Prometheus's case, there's a lot for characters to figure out.

HD isn't state in my opinion, it's a big melting pot of 'stuff' and it's up to the player to decide what they want to do. You just need to find something interesting to do, and talking to other people is the first step. Sure, sometimes plots will be reminiscent to old stuff but they're usually not downright recycled. There's some things that need to be fixed, like increasing a player-base and what not, so that's why I think we should spend our resources on HD before we start another one.